Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 124

02/13/2007 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS


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08:06:01 AM Start
08:06:56 AM HB23|| HB24
09:26:44 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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*+ HB 23 LIMIT ANNUAL INCREASE OF MUNI PROP ASSESS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 24 PROPERTY ASSESSMENT APPEAL FEE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HB  23-LIMIT ANNUAL INCREASE OF MUNI PROP ASSESS                                                                              
HB  24-PROPERTY ASSESSMENT APPEAL FEE                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:06:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX announced  that the only order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL NO.  23, "An Act relating to a  limit on the amount                                                               
by  which the  assessed value  of property  may be  increased for                                                               
purposes of municipal property taxation." and HOUSE BILL NO. 24                                                                 
"An Act  prohibiting municipalities  from charging  a fee  for an                                                               
appeal  of a  residential  real property  tax  assessment to  the                                                               
municipality's board of equalization."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:07:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BILL  STOLTZE, Alaska  State Legislature,  a joint                                                               
prime sponsor,  explained that both HB  23 and HB 24  are similar                                                               
in approach.  However, HB 23  would cap the rate that assessments                                                               
can  increase  annually.   He  informed  the committee  that  his                                                               
intent with HB  23 was to limit it to  residential property only,                                                               
and thus he  expressed the desire for the committee  to limit the                                                               
legislation  to speak  to residential  property  only.   Property                                                               
taxes are  both a  state and  local issue and  one with  which he                                                               
said  is  often confronted.    Prior  to  the 2006  election,  he                                                               
recalled   that   Mayor   Begich,  Municipality   of   Anchorage,                                                               
approached  him regarding  the idea  embodied in  HB 23.    The 2                                                               
percent limitation is a starting  point and up for discussion, he                                                               
said.  He  highlighted that the cost  to live in a home  is now a                                                               
strain,  particularly when  accompanied with  high energy  costs.                                                               
This  limitation won't  impact what  municipalities do  with mill                                                               
rates  or  bonding votes,  he  noted.    He then  mentioned  that                                                               
although his constituents  are impatient on this  matter, he said                                                               
he realizes that this is a deliberative process.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:11:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX asked Representative  Stoltze if his constituents                                                               
also have  discussions with the local  assembly regarding keeping                                                               
property taxes down.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE   opined  that  his   constituents  don't                                                               
differentiate between  the levels of government,  but rather talk                                                               
to the first person they come  upon to relate these matters.  The                                                               
impatience, he further opined, is with government.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:12:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH  related her understanding that  residents of                                                               
her district, as  well as other Alaskans, are  concerned with the                                                               
incremental increases  in property  taxes and thus  question when                                                               
it's  enough.    She  noted  her  agreement  with  Representative                                                               
Stoltze that  the committee should  proceed with caution  on this                                                               
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE commented  that those  who are  pushed to                                                               
the fringe are the youngest and the oldest of the population.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:15:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH asked if there  could be a deferral mechanism                                                               
on  the  increase for  only  the  seniors and  disabled  veterans                                                               
rather than forgiving it.  She asked  if there is a way to recoup                                                               
lost  funds  to  individual municipalities  without  forgoing  it                                                               
forever.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE  said  that   he  wasn't  sure  that  the                                                               
municipality has  an entitlement to  "the piece of  that action."                                                               
He indicated that [Co-Chair Fairclough's  proposal] is similar to                                                               
a reverse  mortgage, which he has  seen some seniors do  in order                                                               
to pay their property taxes.   Representative Stoltze related his                                                               
reluctance  to  including  a   deferral  mechanism,  although  he                                                               
acknowledged the committee process.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN pointed  out  that  local governments  can                                                               
adjust the mill rate in order to raise funds for government.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:21:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE then  addressed  HB  24, which  prohibits                                                               
local  governments  from  charging  an  appeal  for  a  board  of                                                               
equalization  process.   Again, this  is  a policy  call and  due                                                               
process  issue.   He related  the  he recently  went through  the                                                               
appeal process, which was a fair  amount of work, with his senior                                                               
mother.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:25:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX  asked if those  municipalities with  appeal fees                                                               
refund the appeal fees for those who win the appeal.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE  replied  that  he  believes  that's  the                                                               
policy for most municipalities with appeal fees.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:26:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE VAN  SANT, State Assessor, Division  of Community Advocacy,                                                               
Department  of   Commerce,  Community,  &   Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED), speaking to HB 23,  related that the current language of                                                               
HB 23 refers to all property  not just residential property.  The                                                               
aforementioned  has  far-reaching effects  in  that  it may  also                                                               
impact oil and  gas properties.  The primary issue  with HB 23 is                                                               
that assessments are  merely a tool to distribute  the tax burden                                                               
and thus capping it doesn't relieve the need for the revenue.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:28:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  inquired as to  the impact of  changing HB
23 to refer only to residential property.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  SANT acknowledged  that such a  change would  narrow the                                                               
focus.   However, any  change such  as proposed  in HB  23 merely                                                               
shifts the burden.   He reminded the committee  that studies have                                                               
shown that  caps often  result in  the lower  assessed properties                                                               
bearing  the  burden and  paying  more  taxes.   He  offered  the                                                               
following solutions:   reinstate municipal revenue  sharing, fund                                                               
the  senior  and disabled  veteran  exemption  program, fund  the                                                               
homestead/residential   exemption,   institute  circuit   breaker                                                               
programs that are  based on one's ability to pay  rather than the                                                               
value  of  the  property,  and   allow  property  tax  referrals.                                                               
However,  the problem  with all  of  those options  is that  each                                                               
merely shifts the burden.  Mr.  Van Sant opined that placing caps                                                               
on property  could be problematic for  municipalities because the                                                               
local contribution  for educational funding is  calculated with a                                                               
4  mill equivalency,  which is  4 mills  multiplied by  the local                                                               
municipality's  full  and  true  value.     If  some  values  are                                                               
artificially  capped,  the  municipalities   will  have  a  lower                                                               
assessed  value while  the full  and true  value will  be higher.                                                               
Consequently, the  municipality's local contributions  to schools                                                               
will be  higher than  the property  the municipality  can assess,                                                               
which  will create  a disparity.   This  legislation, he  opined,                                                               
will   create  inequity   as  illustrated   in  California   with                                                               
Proposition  13.   Furthermore,  HB  23  doesn't have  a  trigger                                                               
mechanism to  trigger a  market value  property assessment.   The                                                               
committee should  consider some  inflation-edging such  that upon                                                               
the sale  of a property,  it's assessed  at market value  at that                                                               
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:34:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN SANT,  in  response to  Representative  Cissna, said  he                                                               
would make  available the  graphs with regard  to the  results on                                                               
property taxes when there is no revenue sharing.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:35:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN inquired as to  how Mr. Van Sant would view                                                               
the legislation  if it  included a trigger  based on  the federal                                                               
poverty level or need.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN SANT  said that such a methodology sounds  similar to the                                                               
circuit breaker programs,  which are usually based  on the income                                                               
level of  residents.   Mr. Van Sant  acknowledged that  there are                                                               
situations   in  which   individuals  have   difficulties  paying                                                               
property taxes, which  is the situation in  which circuit breaker                                                               
programs   would   come   into  effect.      However,   currently                                                               
municipalities don't  have tools  to address such  situations and                                                               
thus there  is a  need for  such.   However, the  legislation, he                                                               
reiterated,  creates  inequity  with   regard  to  spreading  the                                                               
burden.   When the state  has mandated exemptions such  as senior                                                               
property  tax  exemptions  and   revenue  sharing  is  no  longer                                                               
provided, it makes  it difficult for municipalities  to make ends                                                               
meet regardless of assessments, he stated.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:39:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN   emphasized  that   the  state,   at  the                                                               
legislative  level, has  put a  tremendous amount  of funds  into                                                               
communities  for  various  specific  needs.   For  instance,  the                                                               
legislature appropriated funds  for the purchase of  a fire truck                                                               
for the  Big Lake area.   He requested that Mr.  Van Sant provide                                                               
any information  on the funds  going into the communities  in the                                                               
aforementioned route.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:40:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH posed  a scenario in which HB  23 was passed,                                                               
and inquired  as to  how a  community benefiting  from population                                                               
increases  would  be  adversely  impacted  under  the  foundation                                                               
formula by having a cap on the assessed property value.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN SANT  related his  understanding  that HB  23 would  not                                                               
apply to  new construction.    He explained that under  HB 23 the                                                               
difference between the  assessed value, at the  capped level, and                                                               
the  full  market value  is  the  amount the  municipality  can't                                                               
assess and  from which it  can't capture property taxes  in order                                                               
to  make   its  contribution  to   education.     Therefore,  the                                                               
municipality would  likely have to  raise its mill rate  in order                                                               
to cover its  minimum local contribution for  education, which is                                                               
based  on  the   full  market  value  of  the   property  in  the                                                               
municipality.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH  commented that the legislature  could change                                                               
what the state assesses as full and true value.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN SANT  noted  his  agreement, but  pointed  out that  any                                                               
change  must be  equitable across  the  entire state.   The  full                                                               
value  doesn't  include  the  value   for  seniors  and  disabled                                                               
veterans, he noted.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FAIRCLOUGH   surmised,  "We   could,  under   a  policy                                                               
consideration, ... look  at including that as an  exemption if we                                                               
thought that was a fair policy for the entire state."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN SANT clarified that  currently any mandatory exemption is                                                               
excluded from  the full  value and thus  aren't included  for the                                                               
local education contribution calculation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:45:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  SANT then turned  to HB 24.   He informed  the committee                                                               
that three municipalities  currently collect an appeal  fee.  The                                                               
Ketchikan  Gateway  Borough charges  a  $25  appeal fee  for  the                                                               
second appeal  and does  not reimburse  those fees  regardless of                                                               
the  outcome.   Anchorage  and Kenai  basically  charge the  same                                                               
appeal fee,  which is:   $30 on  property valued up  to $100,000,                                                               
$100 for property  valued up to $500,000, and $200   for property                                                               
valued from  $500,000 up to  $2 million, and $1,000  for property                                                               
valued greater  than $2 million.   He  related that prior  to the                                                               
implementation of  the aforementioned  appeal fee,  Anchorage had                                                               
about 3,000 appeals filed of which  about 1,300 went to the board                                                               
of  equalization.   However,  after  the  fees for  appeals  were                                                               
charged in 2004,  there was a substantial decrease  in the number                                                               
of appeals  filed as well  as appeals that  went to the  board of                                                               
equalization.   The  Municipality  of Anchorage  has changed  its                                                               
policy and  now refunds the  appeal fee if the  individual filing                                                               
follows up on  the filed appeal.  Mr. Van  Sant related that many                                                               
people in the  state file an appeal simply in  hopes of receiving                                                               
a  reduction and  don't  do  any work  afterward.   However,  the                                                               
assessor has to move through  the entire process of finishing the                                                               
appeal.    For residential  property,  the  appeal process  costs                                                               
municipalities approximately  $300-$400 while  it's substantially                                                               
more for  commercial properties.   Mr. Van Sant  highlighted that                                                               
state law provides property owners 30  days to file an appeal and                                                               
most  seemed to  wait  until the  last  week or  day  to file  an                                                               
appeal.   However, now it  seems that most people  take advantage                                                               
of the  entire 30  days.   Mr. Van Sant  specified that  he isn't                                                               
speaking in  support of opposition  to HB  24.  He  then reviewed                                                               
the  number  of appeals  and  total  amount  in refunds  for  the                                                               
various municipalities offering appeals.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:50:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   NEUMAN  asked   if   there  has   ever  been   a                                                               
considerable reduction in  property taxes when the  economy is in                                                               
a downward trend.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  SANT replied yes, and  related that in 1988  when he was                                                               
the assessor in  Anchorage the assessed value  decreased by about                                                               
50 percent.   Furthermore, mill  rates have decreased.   However,                                                               
just because  values of  property may  increase or  decrease, the                                                               
cost/value of the services  don't necessarily change commensurate                                                               
with that change in [property] value.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN remarked,  "Although, as  you stated,  the                                                               
value of  those services are  still there,  the value of  the ...                                                               
citizen's  property does  considerably decrease.   And  I contend                                                               
that I don't think that the  value of those taxes have decreased,                                                               
at  times, at  the amount  of actual  value of  what property  is                                                               
worth."    He related  that  he  has experienced  his  properties                                                               
decrease  in value  by  50 percent,  although  the taxes  didn't.                                                               
Representative  Neuman asked  if HB  23 would  impact communities                                                               
that pass bonds for schools.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN SANT replied no.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:54:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHANE  HORAN, Assessor,  Kenai  Peninsula  Borough, provided  the                                                               
following testimony for HB 23:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     This one-sentence  bill, as  proposed, will  have major                                                                    
     far-reaching fundamental impacts  on the taxing scheme,                                                                    
     bonding,  and  school  funding  of  all  municipalities                                                                    
     throughout the  state of  Alaska.   This bill  would or                                                                    
     should lead  to a  substantial and  significant rewrite                                                                    
     of  the  full  and  true value  assessment  law  as  it                                                                    
     currently  exists in  29.45.110.   It  would have  far-                                                                    
     reaching effects  as did  Proposition 13  in California                                                                    
     or the  Truth in Taxation  legislation in the  State of                                                                    
     Utah.    I  would   like  to  offer  our  association's                                                                    
     assistance, participation, and aide  in any way to work                                                                    
     with the legislature in  the scripting and construction                                                                    
     of legislation  regarding this issue.   Also,  if there                                                                    
     is  to   be  a  distinction  between   residential  and                                                                    
     commercial   properties,  the   definition  should   be                                                                    
     clearly  established.    The basic  reality  that  will                                                                    
     occur with  capping assessed values is  that mill rates                                                                    
     will go  up to  achieve the  revenue levels  needed, in                                                                    
     our budget-driven  form of  government, to  meet needed                                                                    
     and desired services.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HORAN, paraphrasing from his written testimony, provided the                                                                
following 11 points for the committee's consideration:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     By  the  year 2016,  a  home  with  a market  value  of                                                                    
     $325,779  is only  assessed at  $243,799.   A new  home                                                                    
     constructed in  2016 would be  assessed at  the current                                                                    
     market value of $325,779.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     What  constitutes  an  improvement?   (Paint  job,  new                                                                    
     addition, new siding, etc.?)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     What goes up 2%?  Land, building, outbuildings?                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     If an  improvement made, would total  assessed value be                                                                    
     brought to current market?                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Remodeling   or   new   home  construction   could   be                                                                    
     discouraged.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     If the  market increases 20%  in 4 years and  goes down                                                                    
     2% in the  5th year, does the value stay  the same that                                                                    
      th                                                                                                                        
     5 year?  Can it still increase 2% in the 5th year?                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The assessed value is no  longer at market value.  Will                                                                    
     29.45.110(a) be restructured?                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Would HB 23 promote full disclosure?                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Currently,  it  takes  KPB  [Kenai  Peninsula  Borough]                                                                    
     Assessing  5  years  to   complete  the  valuation  and                                                                    
     inspection  cycle.   What cycle  becomes the  base year                                                                    
     for HB 23?                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  Full Value  Determination,  which is  used in  the                                                                    
     school funding  formula is supposed to  equalize values                                                                    
     by reflecting the total market  value.  Under a 2% cap,                                                                    
     there is  no reflection of  market value. If  tax rates                                                                    
     are limited to  2% and market value  increases 5%, will                                                                    
     the State  make up the difference  or will municipality                                                                    
     be required to make contribution from other sources?                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     This may force municipalities  to look at other revenue                                                                    
     sources - sales tax, user fees, etc..                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     What   does  a   2%   increase  in   value   do  to   a                                                                    
     municipality's  ability  to  bond?   Bond  ratings  are                                                                    
     partly based  upon a municipality's ability  to pay the                                                                    
     debt  based  on  the  full  faith  and  credit  of  the                                                                    
     municipality.   If you have  a dip in the  market, like                                                                    
     we did in  the late 1980's, the  municipality can never                                                                    
     catch  up to  its actual  market value,  which will  be                                                                    
     sorely lacking in equitability too.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     How does  a municipality correct obvious  errors in its                                                                    
     assessments if  the assessments are  tied to only  a 2%                                                                    
     increase?  For example, if  it is found that a property                                                                    
     should  have been  assessed at  $200,000  but was  only                                                                    
     assessed at, say, $125,000, the  equity issue is simply                                                                    
     magnified.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:00:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HORAN then turned to HB 24.  He provided the following                                                                      
testimony:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  Kenai  Peninsula  Borough Assembly  instituted  an                                                                    
     appeal  filing fee  beginning  in  the 2005  assessment                                                                    
     year  that essentially  mirrored  that of  Anchorage's.                                                                    
     That is, as  Mr. Van Sant stated, a $30  filing fee for                                                                    
     property assessed  up to $100,000, a  $100 for property                                                                    
     assessed between $100,000 to   $500,000, a $200 fee for                                                                    
     those properties assessed from  $500,000 to $2 million,                                                                    
     and  $1,000  for property  assessed  at  $2 million  or                                                                    
     higher.  According to Kenai  Peninsula Borough code, if                                                                    
     the  appeal results  in a  reduction from  the original                                                                    
     assessed  value or  if the  appeal is  withdrawn before                                                                    
     evidence is due to the  board of equalization, then the                                                                    
     filing  fee is  refunded  in full.   Additionally,  the                                                                    
     appeal fee may  be waived based on  one's annual income                                                                    
     as provided by current  Health & Human Services poverty                                                                    
     guidelines for  Alaska.  The filing  fee instituted has                                                                    
     resulted  [in  decreasing]   the  number  of  frivolous                                                                    
     appeals, as it  was intended to do, and  has helped our                                                                    
     office   become  efficient   and  effective   with  the                                                                    
     appraisers  in the  field  canvassing  the borough  and                                                                    
     assuring equity  in assessment.   Please  remember that                                                                    
     in state  statute the burden  is on the  property owner                                                                    
     to  prove that  the  assessment  is unequal,  improper,                                                                    
     excessive, or under valued.   The many appeals filed in                                                                    
     the past indicating "Oh, the  value is just too high.";                                                                    
     or "My  taxes or going  to go  up."; or "You  raised my                                                                    
     values  too much  from last  year."  do not  constitute                                                                    
     sufficient evidence  that the  value is  not reflective                                                                    
     of  full and  true value.    This office,  that is  the                                                                    
     Kenai  Peninsula  Borough,  as a  policy  and  practice                                                                    
     would inspect  every appealed  property, meet  with the                                                                    
     property owner,  address the owner's  concerns, prepare                                                                    
     and  print packets  for presentation  to  the board  of                                                                    
     equalization only to find the  property owner absent or                                                                    
     not   in  attendance   to  present   written  or   oral                                                                    
     testimony.  The fee,  as instituted, gives the property                                                                    
     owner more  responsibility and ownership in  the appeal                                                                    
     process itself  and that  which is  at stake.   Because                                                                    
     this fee  is reimbursed to  anyone who wins  the appeal                                                                    
     or  withdraws and  because of  the hardship  waiver for                                                                    
     those  that are  indigent,  I feel  that  we have  made                                                                    
     reasonable accommodations for  property owners who have                                                                    
     valid  concerns  to  receive their  due  process.    In                                                                    
     assessment year  2006, ... Kenai Peninsula  Borough did                                                                    
     have  189 formally  submitted  appeals  filed, with  15                                                                    
     heard before  the board of equalization.   We collected                                                                    
     approximately  $10,200   in  fees  and   retained  only                                                                    
     $2,300.   Lastly,  I would  like  to share  that we  do                                                                    
     offer,  through ordinance,  the opportunity  for anyone                                                                    
     receiving their assessment notice  to first contact the                                                                    
     assessor's  office and  we  offer  an informal  meeting                                                                    
     with  the assessor  or appraiser  regarding his  or her                                                                    
     assessment.    This  itself   has  been  successful  in                                                                    
     resolving numerous  appeals in  an informal format.   I                                                                    
     feel having  no fee,  as proposed  in this  bill, would                                                                    
     not  be  a  sufficient  deterrent  to  those  frivolous                                                                    
     appeals and may consume more resources than necessary.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:04:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARRY SEMMENS, Finance Director, City  of Kenai, related the City                                                               
of  Kenai's  opposition   to  HB  23,  which   will  limit  local                                                               
government's  ability  to  make local  decisions.    Furthermore,                                                               
property  tax  should  be  based   on  market  value  not  on  an                                                               
artificial calculation  that will  cause great  inequalities with                                                               
property  taxes over  time.   He requested  that the  legislature                                                               
should be respective of the  local government's ability to manage                                                               
its own resources.  He then turned  to HB 24 and noted that he is                                                               
a  member of  the  Alaska Retirement  Management  Board where  he                                                               
learned from one of the real  estate managers that as a matter of                                                               
policy that  real estate manager always  appeals local government                                                               
assessments as a practice.   The aforementioned is good business,                                                               
especially if  there is  no fee.   However, the  local government                                                               
faces  a great  deal of  expense in  dealing with  those appeals,                                                               
many of which are frivolous.   He cautioned the state with regard                                                               
to how the  state's actions impact local  government's ability to                                                               
manage.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:06:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN   commented  that  he,  too,   hears  from                                                               
citizens in  his district  who have to  sell their  homes because                                                               
they aren't able to afford to live in them.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:07:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TAMMY WILSON, referring to HB 23,  said she was glad that someone                                                               
is listening to residents [of the  state].  She related that over                                                               
800 properties in  the [Fairbanks North Star  Borough] have faced                                                               
assessments  that have  doubled.   In  fact, she  noted that  her                                                               
home, to  which she did  nothing, increased 54 percent  in value.                                                               
She highlighted  that this  past year  the [Fairbanks  North Star                                                               
Borough] had its mill rate  decrease, but because the assessments                                                               
increased considerably there  was no real savings.   Therefore, a                                                               
cap  may provide  a better  idea of  how much  the government  is                                                               
spending.  She then indicated the  need for the state to fund the                                                               
senior  property tax  exemption,  which she  said  she feels  the                                                               
pressure of  funding.  "I just  think something needs to  be done                                                               
and maybe this is a good  starting point, and I really appreciate                                                               
you looking at this," she remarked.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:09:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHY  WASSERMAN,  Alaska  Municipal League  (AML),  acknowledged                                                               
that  taxes  are increasing,  but  AML  believes there  are  some                                                               
solutions, including  reinstating revenue sharing.   In fact, the                                                               
mayors  of  the  Kenai  Peninsula Borough,  the  Municipality  of                                                               
Anchorage,  and the  Mat-Su Borough  have  committed to  lowering                                                               
property    taxes    if    revenue   sharing    is    reinstated.                                                               
Municipalities, she  related, have lost  the ability to  bring in                                                               
revenue.   The  only  way  for municipalities  to  pay for  basic                                                               
services  are fees  and taxes.   Therefore,  capping those  taxes                                                               
removes  one  more  option  and  thus AML  would  hope  that  the                                                               
solution be found  outside of HB 23.  She  then expressed concern                                                               
that HB 23 doesn't specify a  timeframe within which the full and                                                               
true value  would be realized on  any property.  She  agreed with                                                               
most  of Mr.  Van Sant's  comments  and the  inequity that  could                                                               
ensue under this proposal.   Furthermore, she questioned how this                                                               
would impact  education funding.   For all those reasons,  AML is                                                               
opposed to HB 23, she said.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:13:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WASSERMAN then  turned to  HB 24.   Although  she recognized                                                               
that communities may  need a manner by which to  recoup [the cost                                                               
of  appeals  of  property  taxes],   it  should  remain  a  local                                                               
decision, she said.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:13:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX, upon determining no  one else wished to testify,                                                               
closed public  testimony.  She  then reminded the  committee that                                                               
HB 23 and HB 24 would be held over.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:14:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FAIRCLOUGH offered  to summarize  the questions  raised                                                               
today  on HB  23 and  HB 24  and distribute  them to  members for                                                               
review  and  any  additional  questions,   which  would  then  be                                                               
forwarded to the sponsor for consideration.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:15:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  noted her agreement with  the intent of                                                               
the legislation and  expressed the need to allow  the joint prime                                                               
sponsor to adjust the legislation as he sees fit.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:16:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SALMON  related  his experience  with  purchasing                                                               
property  in Fairbanks  on  which he  has  done no  improvements,                                                               
while the assessment  has increased.  This  legislation is really                                                               
meaningful, he opined.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:17:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  inquired as to how  Representative Stoltze                                                               
would view changing the legislation  to only speak to residential                                                               
property or a needs-based mechanism.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STOLTZE   said  that   he   is   open  [to   any                                                               
suggestions].   He  recalled  the request  last  year from  local                                                               
governments and the  state assessor to have more time  to work on                                                               
this  issue,   although  he  never  heard   anything  from  them.                                                               
Therefore, he expressed frustration with the situation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:20:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA said  that  although people  want to  keep                                                               
their own  money, she was proud  to pay property tax  because she                                                               
saw what  her children could enjoy  due to it.   She related that                                                               
she wouldn't  take the senior  property tax exemption as  long as                                                               
she can work.  She then  recalled being in another country with a                                                               
lack  of a  tax  base, infrastructure,  and  services similar  to                                                               
rural areas  in Alaska.   Although the  state makes  a tremendous                                                               
amount of  revenue, it isn't  shared with the  local governments.                                                               
Therefore, there's a  real inequity in the money flow.   In fact,                                                               
a lot  of private property owners  are carrying the load  in many                                                               
of  the  communities in  the  state,  particularly those  without                                                               
property or  sales tax.  This  legislation isn't fair to  all the                                                               
communities  and thus  much care  should be  taken when  crafting                                                               
[legislation]  at  this  level  of  government.    Representative                                                               
Cissna said that she would be  in favor of this legislation if it                                                               
was linked with revenue sharing.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:24:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STOLTZE  expressed   concern   with  regard   to                                                               
references  to  "frivolous"  [appeals]  because  he  didn't  want                                                               
citizen's  attempts   to  redress  government   characterized  so                                                               
unilaterally.  He then expressed  hope to work with the committee                                                               
on this legislation.                                                                                                            

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